tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426239.post114562819609123944..comments2023-06-12T10:08:26.187-05:00Comments on Lake Winneblogo: Depressing all-COLS meetingLake Winneblogohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09063703316063246957noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426239.post-1146712120578347822006-05-03T22:08:00.000-05:002006-05-03T22:08:00.000-05:00Glad to see that students and faculty are on the s...Glad to see that students and faculty are on the same side on this issue. Not that Petra cares what students or faculty think. The only syllabus for this class has been decided by her. I can only hope the Faculty Senate shows some spine on this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426239.post-1146590798031102092006-05-02T12:26:00.000-05:002006-05-02T12:26:00.000-05:00So here is my take in the firt year experience cla...So here is my take in the firt year experience class (as a student)...the concept is not all bad. Yes, the student body here at UWO is more than apathetic. But creating a required course in order to force involvemnt? Come on! <BR/>I was unaware that this was already done, as far as I knew, this course was still in the proposal phase. And the funny thing is, the students were never asked.<BR/>It is my 5th year here, and I have always been bothered by the attitude of administration. It has always felt like an 'us and them' atmosphere. This is what prevents students from getting involved. Oshkosh is a great school, but not on all levels. I almost transfered to Madison, but didnt...but only because of the relationships I was able to form with my professors. But the reason why I was inclined to get the hell out of here was because I was sick of administration catering to my parents. I am sick of feeling as though we (the students) are such a burden. I am sick of feeling as though Petra and Wells are more concerned with the image Oshkosh has, than the education its students are receiving. It is the students and faculty that keep this place going. Because, afterall, this is an institution for learning. <BR/>Yes, FYE has its benefits. Too many students think an education comes from textbooks and lectures, and never seem to realize that a quality education comes from getting your feet soaking wet with life experiences (on top of the classroom stuff). There is no way a 1-credit class is going to offer this. <BR/> But that is not the point, the point is, this class is not a cure-all to the student involvment problem, and it is not the administration's job to decide what is best for all its faculty, staff and students. Sure, they do have the final say, but descions such as this should be made collectively. <BR/><BR/>Petra just came here, but it seems as though she already knows what is best for all of us. NOT TRUE. I suggest she does her job and begin representing the students, and not pandering to the Chancellor and the board of regents. <BR/>I am graduating in 1.5 weeks, but I urge those whom I leave behind to stand up against the games administration is trying to play. The UW system may be a bureauracy but the administration is supposed made uo of educators, not bureaurocrats. <BR/><BR/>It is time we take back this institution, and put education at the center. Not an image that we will never live up to!<BR/>I am sickened to know that the faculty was not consulted in this. But even more queasy when I think of what the answer would be if I asked Petra what the faculty thought. Because odds are, Id get a different story. <BR/><BR/>Overall, I think the FYE course is a mistake, faculty and students should have been consulted. But, I think it will be successful if what the university wants to turn students into a herd of sheep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426239.post-1145803020620042572006-04-23T09:37:00.000-05:002006-04-23T09:37:00.000-05:00Faculty should be in charge of the curriculum. Tha...Faculty should be in charge of the curriculum. That is a basic principle of governance on this campus. It is clear from this meeting that faculty have a much better understanding of how to create a meaningful first year course than the folks in administration. It is equally clear that the administration on this campus does not care about faculty control of curriculum, nor does it care about our input.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426239.post-1145648155907754182006-04-21T14:35:00.000-05:002006-04-21T14:35:00.000-05:00As much as I dislike the idea of standarized tests...As much as I dislike the idea of standarized tests, the same idea crossed my mind. When I listen to administrators talk continually about the need to lower standards, I wonder how we can keep an Oshkosh degree worth anything. <BR/><BR/>If we had some kind of exit exam, it would not be so easy to float through. Degrees like the BAS could only fly if their students could pass the exams too.<BR/><BR/>On the other points, I heard many faculty members complain about these proposals, but the administrators shrugged them off. I am not sure what would have to happen for those voices to have some bite. Maybe if faculty senate stopped rubber-stamping all the administrations proposals, they might have to listen to our comments.<BR/><BR/>Finally, most people in the room seemed sympathetic to some sort of first-year course for students. Susan McFadden suggested something akin to what babblemur mentioned. The response from Petra: this is done already and it is not open to discussion. . .Lake Winneblogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09063703316063246957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426239.post-1145645364487099732006-04-21T13:49:00.000-05:002006-04-21T13:49:00.000-05:00The quality of the Applied Studies Degree is going...The quality of the Applied Studies Degree is going to be suspect because half the credits come from the tech schools, and the half here at UWO are weak courses without the focus and rigor we expect from a normal major. <BR/><BR/>The problem we have in questioning the quality of the program is that we have almost no assessment data on ANY major or program so there is no objective way to show that students in the BAS will have reduced math or writing or reasoning scores. We argue based on anecdote and rumor. <BR/><BR/>At a minimum BAS students should be required to take an exit exam so their skills can be measured, and we have some way of comparing their skills to the skills we expect of any other college grad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426239.post-1145643627234169832006-04-21T13:20:00.000-05:002006-04-21T13:20:00.000-05:00At my last place of employment we implemented a Fi...At my last place of employment we implemented a First Year Experience program - a three credit course required of all first year students. It was developed by the faculty themselves with administrative support, and the curriculum was adjusted thoughtfully to have the FYE course replace one "Core Foundations" course. <BR/><BR/>The crazy part was we actually managed to get the 24 faculty members teaching the first year to agree on 1 general theme, 3 common texts, mandatory information literacy components, common experience events, etc. The theme was "Human Impact on the Environment". The English profs approached it from a literary aspect, the Biology profs brought either field or lab experience to their sections. We had Art profs, Sociology profs, Psychology profs, Philosophy profs and Religion profs all teaching a section of this course. <BR/><BR/>It was a ton of work, but it actually brought faculty to collaborate together and united students in their common misery. <BR/><BR/>An FYE doesn't have to be bad - but it sounds like there wasn't faculty involvement in UWO's case. <BR/><BR/>http://www.central.edu/academicaffairs/handbook/attach14.pdfRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581728675607760362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426239.post-1145633901938777442006-04-21T10:38:00.000-05:002006-04-21T10:38:00.000-05:00I do wonder why the tenured professors are not spe...I do wonder why the tenured professors are not speaking their mind within the community. If this program is not up to the same level as other college degrees will be, then we all have a problem --- we have a bachelor degree that is worthless. Again, I ask, why are the tenured professors not making this part of the project public knowledge?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com